Gandhigiri!!!

Well said Tiwari!!

It was combined effect of all movements, WW, Luck etc.
No one alone cud have made this struggle a success..


Cheers,
-Amit

-----Original Message-----
From: deepak
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





there is no point again having a hot debate over this topic......whether
or not Gandhiji was responsible for our independence or not....
but one thing is sure that he tried his best according to his beliefs
and what he thought was right according to him..........and that is what
matters.....similarly krantikaris like Charda Shekhar Azad, Bhagat
Singh, Netaji Subhash Chadra Bose etc also tried their best according to
their beliefs and what they thought was right according to them !!!

you are right that "Large part of our independence was played by the
change in the british government at tht time....labour party came in to
power....
moreover after world war-2 britishers were not in a condition to rule
others(unka khud ka hi bura haal tha)....."
but my personal thinking is at that time, due to satyagraha and bharat
chhodo movement, whole of India rose as an entity and stood
united..........which apart from luck factors (like govt change in UK,
2nd WW)........helped India to force or pressurize
britishers......hadn't it been like this, they were not fools to easily
leave a state like india.......
God also helps only those who help themselves........

if only luck factors were important, then why did many such countries
could not gain independence at that time and only got it much-much
later.

regards,
Deepak Tiwari





Ankit Kumar



Subject
RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

(Document link: Deepak Tiwari)
No doubt...he played a little part in our independence but we can't say
tht he is the hero for our independence struggle....
Large part of our independence was played by the change in the british
government at tht time....labour party came in to power....moreover
after world war-2 britishers were not in a condition to rule others(unka
khud ka hi bura haal tha).....


-----"Butola, Rahul"
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)



Oh no


Give credit where it is due ?..he was the man who brought us
independence or showed us the correct way .


And one more thing ..the way we got our independence actually has a
bearing on the way how our


Country has conducted itself in past 60 years , do not forget that
except our country ?no 3 rd world nation is


As stable as we are ??I think one reason for this is regard for the
system ?.





Even in our struggle for freedom we were never against the entire
british system , infact initially


As u ppl may b knowing our demand was few reforms ? which were then
converted to concept of


Swaraj ..and then to full independence ?.and infact ppl initially
wanted to follow


The Australian model ..where the head of state is still Queen ?but
bcause britishers did not c us as equal


So we went full drive and asked them to leave ??so very dignified way

From: Amit
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





I agree I don't think Gandhi Ji was responsible for the independence.


Yes I agree that thru his movements etc he does brought motivation in
Indian but his efforts alone could not have brought independence to our
nation...
Cheers,
-Amit

From: Ankit
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)


i havn't seen the movie.....but i don't agree with the statement


"Yes I also think that Gandhi-giri may have had a success at Gandhiji's
time"


although we had a discussion on this in our banta club meetings but
still I believe tht gandhiji ki vajah se hume ajaadi nahi milli......


after spending some time in UK....i m not able to understnd tht how
could a small country like this could rule the India.....itne saare
pahad hai yahan...population density kaafi kum hai.....itni si
population se inhone humari(and others ki bhi) waat laga di.....reason
could be our internal disputes jiska fayda in saalo ne uthaya...
-----Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Gandhiji kaise the ya nahi the......that point we all have discussed
very---very deeply and HOTLY :-)

My personal opinion about him.....as I have already told u all......is
that he was indeed a Great Soul ...a Mahatma.......still he may have
some short comings, which is acceptable as he was also a Human (not
God).......no point re-opening a sensitive issue :-)

Here I am saying that why is it so that same gandhiji's principles when
presented in a new look and feel have generated so much hype
around.........were these not known to people before this movie ?
This only shows that the attitude of us indians is much like......say
"followers of the crowd".......

That's why when most of the indians had forgotten abt their spiritual
heritage like Yoga and invaluable scriptures like Srimad Ramayan,
Srimad BhagvadGita, vedas and upnishads, and when we come to know how
the west has acknowledged their supremacy and depth and has embraced it
with both hands, when modern professional Gurus like Swami Ramdev and
Sri Sri Ravi Shanker have spread the principle of Yoga in the
west......then only we seem to shed our ignorance towards these and
then only we derive some pride of being an Indian !!!

one should first analyse a theory.......ponder over its relevance and
only after one has fully understood it, then only make any opinion abt
it.
If we personally think anything to be good as such, without looking at
its outward appearance.........then we should have firm faith in
it.......and we should not feel ashamed to accept it no matter how
much outdated people may thing us to be.

" I think gandhigiri is still not relevant "........
Yes I also think that Gandhi-giri may have had a success at Gandhiji's
time, but it may not be relevant today......
but u don't know.....it may be very much relevant if we have a new
Gandhiji :-)

regards,
Deepak Tiwari

Inactive hide details for "Gairi, Vipul

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:-)
Why are u mixing movie and the Gandhiji as a person

Movie was made for putting Gandhiji way in today?s situation and
possible ways how he would have tackle it using comic and light hearted
way.

Just enjoy the movie yaar and forget the rest what is right and what is
wrong. Really an excellent movie and as per me better than Munnabhai
MBBS.


At least by doing this you are giving some time to keep away your mind
from everything else J

Tiwari boss where are you. Need your inputs also J

Regards
Vipul Gairi






From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

I think gandhigiri is still not relevant jst that one movie has become
hit because of it don?t think everytging is fine This is a wretched
place to live






From: Gairi, Vipul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Buts

Here we are not discussing whether to like or not Gandhiji and his
principles and achievements and ideologies.

The points Tiwari have put points to different angle and I support this
in full way.

Good observations Tiwarijiii J

Regards
Vipul Gairi
< /p>





From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Tiwari ji I don?t think neone in our country thinks wrong of ghandiji
But don?t forget the ..movie did not touch the topics which made him
unpopular for ex creation of pkistan So his teachings are really good
no doubt but to forcibly implant them on others is not good (like he
did on his family)






From: Gairi, Vipul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)


Tiwari you are 100% right :-).

Fully supporting your view this time.

Regards
Vipul Gairi


-----Original Message-----
From: deepak
Subject: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





Hi,


http://www.indiadaily.org/entry/gandhigiri-works-even-today-munna-bhai-s
ays-this/


What do u say abt this .....??
Yesterday on all the news channels, Gandhiji's Satyagraha was being
rediscovered.......thanks to the Gandhigiri of Munna-Bhai :-)

I think most of us indians only follow what the crowd (majority) is
doing or saying abt anything.

The same concept when stated plainly and in a traditional way, seems
like total waste(raddi) for us, and no-one would ever like to
assosiate himself with it........
But the same concept when served inside a wrapper of modernity and
supported by some influential personalitites or westerns then everyone
(who may have hated it like anything) seems ready to embrace

it and actually feel proud of having themselves associated with it.

take for ex. ISKCON
would anyone imagine a MODERN, Pub and DISCO friendly GUY, doing puja
on a

janmashtami day in
a traditional SriKrishna Temple ......but ISKCON.....a definite
YES......its different !!!
and do you know the reason behind this........as anyone can
guess.....because of many foreigners having embraced
ISKCON............so ISKCON is cool..... !!!


Earlier most of the youth, derived pride and solace in trashing
Gandhiji and his ideals or his shortcomings.......and now after
Munna-Bhai Wrapper of Gandhi-Giri, the same youth feels that "Gandhi was
Kewl !!!.........Vande Mataram.....Bande me tha Dum !!!"

Aaap sab ka kya kahana hai iss baare mein...... :-)

regards,
Deepak Tiwari