Gandhigiri!!!

Well said Tiwari!!

It was combined effect of all movements, WW, Luck etc.
No one alone cud have made this struggle a success..


Cheers,
-Amit

-----Original Message-----
From: deepak
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





there is no point again having a hot debate over this topic......whether
or not Gandhiji was responsible for our independence or not....
but one thing is sure that he tried his best according to his beliefs
and what he thought was right according to him..........and that is what
matters.....similarly krantikaris like Charda Shekhar Azad, Bhagat
Singh, Netaji Subhash Chadra Bose etc also tried their best according to
their beliefs and what they thought was right according to them !!!

you are right that "Large part of our independence was played by the
change in the british government at tht time....labour party came in to
power....
moreover after world war-2 britishers were not in a condition to rule
others(unka khud ka hi bura haal tha)....."
but my personal thinking is at that time, due to satyagraha and bharat
chhodo movement, whole of India rose as an entity and stood
united..........which apart from luck factors (like govt change in UK,
2nd WW)........helped India to force or pressurize
britishers......hadn't it been like this, they were not fools to easily
leave a state like india.......
God also helps only those who help themselves........

if only luck factors were important, then why did many such countries
could not gain independence at that time and only got it much-much
later.

regards,
Deepak Tiwari





Ankit Kumar



Subject
RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

(Document link: Deepak Tiwari)
No doubt...he played a little part in our independence but we can't say
tht he is the hero for our independence struggle....
Large part of our independence was played by the change in the british
government at tht time....labour party came in to power....moreover
after world war-2 britishers were not in a condition to rule others(unka
khud ka hi bura haal tha).....


-----"Butola, Rahul"
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)



Oh no


Give credit where it is due ?..he was the man who brought us
independence or showed us the correct way .


And one more thing ..the way we got our independence actually has a
bearing on the way how our


Country has conducted itself in past 60 years , do not forget that
except our country ?no 3 rd world nation is


As stable as we are ??I think one reason for this is regard for the
system ?.





Even in our struggle for freedom we were never against the entire
british system , infact initially


As u ppl may b knowing our demand was few reforms ? which were then
converted to concept of


Swaraj ..and then to full independence ?.and infact ppl initially
wanted to follow


The Australian model ..where the head of state is still Queen ?but
bcause britishers did not c us as equal


So we went full drive and asked them to leave ??so very dignified way

From: Amit
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





I agree I don't think Gandhi Ji was responsible for the independence.


Yes I agree that thru his movements etc he does brought motivation in
Indian but his efforts alone could not have brought independence to our
nation...
Cheers,
-Amit

From: Ankit
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)


i havn't seen the movie.....but i don't agree with the statement


"Yes I also think that Gandhi-giri may have had a success at Gandhiji's
time"


although we had a discussion on this in our banta club meetings but
still I believe tht gandhiji ki vajah se hume ajaadi nahi milli......


after spending some time in UK....i m not able to understnd tht how
could a small country like this could rule the India.....itne saare
pahad hai yahan...population density kaafi kum hai.....itni si
population se inhone humari(and others ki bhi) waat laga di.....reason
could be our internal disputes jiska fayda in saalo ne uthaya...
-----Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Gandhiji kaise the ya nahi the......that point we all have discussed
very---very deeply and HOTLY :-)

My personal opinion about him.....as I have already told u all......is
that he was indeed a Great Soul ...a Mahatma.......still he may have
some short comings, which is acceptable as he was also a Human (not
God).......no point re-opening a sensitive issue :-)

Here I am saying that why is it so that same gandhiji's principles when
presented in a new look and feel have generated so much hype
around.........were these not known to people before this movie ?
This only shows that the attitude of us indians is much like......say
"followers of the crowd".......

That's why when most of the indians had forgotten abt their spiritual
heritage like Yoga and invaluable scriptures like Srimad Ramayan,
Srimad BhagvadGita, vedas and upnishads, and when we come to know how
the west has acknowledged their supremacy and depth and has embraced it
with both hands, when modern professional Gurus like Swami Ramdev and
Sri Sri Ravi Shanker have spread the principle of Yoga in the
west......then only we seem to shed our ignorance towards these and
then only we derive some pride of being an Indian !!!

one should first analyse a theory.......ponder over its relevance and
only after one has fully understood it, then only make any opinion abt
it.
If we personally think anything to be good as such, without looking at
its outward appearance.........then we should have firm faith in
it.......and we should not feel ashamed to accept it no matter how
much outdated people may thing us to be.

" I think gandhigiri is still not relevant "........
Yes I also think that Gandhi-giri may have had a success at Gandhiji's
time, but it may not be relevant today......
but u don't know.....it may be very much relevant if we have a new
Gandhiji :-)

regards,
Deepak Tiwari

Inactive hide details for "Gairi, Vipul

Subject
RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai
:-)
Why are u mixing movie and the Gandhiji as a person

Movie was made for putting Gandhiji way in today?s situation and
possible ways how he would have tackle it using comic and light hearted
way.

Just enjoy the movie yaar and forget the rest what is right and what is
wrong. Really an excellent movie and as per me better than Munnabhai
MBBS.


At least by doing this you are giving some time to keep away your mind
from everything else J

Tiwari boss where are you. Need your inputs also J

Regards
Vipul Gairi






From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

I think gandhigiri is still not relevant jst that one movie has become
hit because of it don?t think everytging is fine This is a wretched
place to live






From: Gairi, Vipul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Buts

Here we are not discussing whether to like or not Gandhiji and his
principles and achievements and ideologies.

The points Tiwari have put points to different angle and I support this
in full way.

Good observations Tiwarijiii J

Regards
Vipul Gairi
< /p>





From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)

Tiwari ji I don?t think neone in our country thinks wrong of ghandiji
But don?t forget the ..movie did not touch the topics which made him
unpopular for ex creation of pkistan So his teachings are really good
no doubt but to forcibly implant them on others is not good (like he
did on his family)






From: Gairi, Vipul
Subject: RE: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)


Tiwari you are 100% right :-).

Fully supporting your view this time.

Regards
Vipul Gairi


-----Original Message-----
From: deepak
Subject: GandhiGiri -- munnabhai :-)





Hi,


http://www.indiadaily.org/entry/gandhigiri-works-even-today-munna-bhai-s
ays-this/


What do u say abt this .....??
Yesterday on all the news channels, Gandhiji's Satyagraha was being
rediscovered.......thanks to the Gandhigiri of Munna-Bhai :-)

I think most of us indians only follow what the crowd (majority) is
doing or saying abt anything.

The same concept when stated plainly and in a traditional way, seems
like total waste(raddi) for us, and no-one would ever like to
assosiate himself with it........
But the same concept when served inside a wrapper of modernity and
supported by some influential personalitites or westerns then everyone
(who may have hated it like anything) seems ready to embrace

it and actually feel proud of having themselves associated with it.

take for ex. ISKCON
would anyone imagine a MODERN, Pub and DISCO friendly GUY, doing puja
on a

janmashtami day in
a traditional SriKrishna Temple ......but ISKCON.....a definite
YES......its different !!!
and do you know the reason behind this........as anyone can
guess.....because of many foreigners having embraced
ISKCON............so ISKCON is cool..... !!!


Earlier most of the youth, derived pride and solace in trashing
Gandhiji and his ideals or his shortcomings.......and now after
Munna-Bhai Wrapper of Gandhi-Giri, the same youth feels that "Gandhi was
Kewl !!!.........Vande Mataram.....Bande me tha Dum !!!"

Aaap sab ka kya kahana hai iss baare mein...... :-)

regards,
Deepak Tiwari

nice discussion....

Yaar tiwari ek baat bataa
How do u know this much ...
Do u really read geeta , mahabharat etc...

-----Original Message-----
From: deepak




I really appreciate ur attitude.........this is the attitude we must
have
abt religion.........nothing stops us from praising other religions
while
having a firm faith in our own one.

haan isska koi proof to nahi hai......per us kaal ke rishiyon ne veda
mantron ke swayam darshan kiye the......isiliye unhe mantra-drashta
rishi
bhi kehte hain
unhi rishiyon ne smritiyan(these comes after vedas, and were authored by
vedic rishis, it means those things which were itihaas, which happened
in
previous times. i.e Valmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata are two of the
smritis)

after that SriVedaVyasaji (whom we consider as an Ansha Avataar of
SriNarayana), he divided the huge vedas into 4 books which are known as
4
vedas
SriVedaVyasa took an avataar because he knew that men will not be able
to
comprehend the real meaning of vedas, as vedas are very vaast and they
contain such deep meanings in coded form that achche achche vidvan bhi
use
poori tarah nahi samajh sakte, as they are nothing but the very own
breath
of Lord Narayana. So can a jeev comprehend them without his grace.
Therefore SriVedaVyasa compiled 18 puranas, in which he placed the real
meaning or the essence of vedas.

Yes we believe that Vedas contain everything we can comprehend with our
senses and also those things which are beyond them, as they try to
understand the Paramatma, but in the end vedas describe him as Neti-Neti
(meaning, na iti - he is not this, he is not that.......he is desribed
in
negation, that he is nither short, nor tall, neither moving nor
motionless
etc. and in the end they conclude by describing him as the one who
cannot
be fully understood by anyone without recieving his grace, like arjun
did
see the eternal form of Lord Krishna jab unhone use SrimadBhagavad Gita
ka
updesh diya tha.)

and that very uncomprehensible brahman or parmatma takes a form out of
his
infinte mercy towards his devotees, and performs many leelas so that
devotees have some kind of support for concentrating our minds on his
limitless beauty, unka kripamaya swaroopa, unke asankhya gunn, unka
dhaam(his abode, though he is everywhere, yet for devotess he has a
personal form and an abode as well, that his his mercy), unka sundar
naam,
jaise ki RAM RAM RAM.......and the list is infinite.........


regards,
Deepak



Ranjeet



Waise ik baat to sahi hai ki Hindu dharam yugon yugon se hai, matlab ki
jab manushya dharti par pada hua tab se hi shyad.
Par ik baat bata, yeh sab baatein ki ved pehle se hi the kaise prove
huin. Is everything there inside vedas?



-----Original Message-----
From: deepak

"Ik baat bata Hindu religion kaise start hua tha?"

Jo start hota ho vo end bhi hoga...............duniya ki har vaastu
jiska start hone ka time hai.....iska matlab hai ki uska end bhi
hoga.....ye is sansaar ka aaparivataniya niyam hai.......no one can deny
this ..........

isiliye sanatan dharma kabhi start hi nahi hua...........vo to anaadi
kaal se chala aa raha hai.........haamaari philosophy mein paramatma aur
jeevatma dono anaadi hain.....ussi taraha veda bhi aanadi
hain.......unhein kissi ne nahi likha.....they were always present and
will remain present till pralay........pralaya kaal mein saari srishti
bhagwaan me vileen ho jati hai, jeevatmaein bhi bhagwaan mein leen ho
jati hain......vo kabhi nasht nahi hoti, yahan tak ki bhagwaan bhi kissi
jeevatma ko nashta nahi kar sakte kyonki jeevatma unhi ka ansh hai,
isliye vo bhi anaadi hai.

jo satya shashvat sidhant hai.........vo anadi kaal se hai......aur
anadi kaal tak rahega........na to vo kabhi start hota hai aur na kabhi
end.


aur ek jaroori baat, SriRamchandraji swayama purushottam bhagwan hote
hue bhi prithvi pe ek manushya bhaav se hi aavteerna hue the, unhone to
kabhi chamatkar dikhaya hi nahi........isilye SriRam ke charitra ka hum
poori tarah palan kar sakte hain........rahi samajhe na samajhne wali
baat to ab koi paagal ho to hum use kya samajhyenge ???

haan Bhagwan SriKrishna ne avtaar bhagwaan ke bhaav se hi liya
tha...........issiliye unhone anekon chamatkar dikhaye.........aur
issilye haamre dharma mein SriKrishna ki leelayein anukaran karne ke
liye na ho kar keval chintan (to concentrate) ke liye hain.......jabki
SriRam ki leelaein poori tarah anukaran karne ke liye bhi hain aur
chintan ke liye bhi.


and finally what u told about SriGuruGobinSinghJi, I totally agree with
that, no one can deny this !!!


regards,
Deepak


Ranjeet


Overall baat in sab discussions se yeh nikaltee hai.

Ki Bhagwan apna chamatkaar dikha jaate hain, Par anekon yug mein
manushya to bhej bhej kar bhagwaan pehle unse galtiaan karwaatein hain
aur phir usko use kar ke sansar ko ik ex. dete hain. voh manushya
ofcourse hi apne karmon ko bhog raha hoga.

Ik baat bata Hindu religion kaise start hua tha?

Sikh religion ka to main reason yeh tha ki Sansaar mein ( and Kalyug )
jhooth, paap, andher,,..... Itna bad gaya tha ki kisi sache manushya,
purush, saint , guru , bhagwaan ki jaroorat thi jo is andher ka naas kas
sake, Par kyun ki kalyug ka time bahut bada hai aur Bhagwaan kyun ki ik
manushya ke roop mein aate hain to unhe kuch aisa karna padta hai jisse
us yug mein jhooth aur sach ko samajhne wale log reh sakein, Hum paapon
se bache rahen, hamein acha gayan mile, haameri 84 lakh june kat
jaayein.

Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, ik mahavir, shaktishaali, ik bahut bade
gyaani, kavi, multiple languages ke jaankarak, aur ik sache guru the,
unhone jaalimon par shuru mein kabhi vaar nahin kiya, balki unhonen
kitne hi balidaan diye, Par jab samaya aaya ki ab shastra uthaane ka
time aa gaya hai to unhone apni ik fauz banai thi.

Ab us fauz ko aisa hona chahiye tha ki ik ik sipahi jo sikh hai jang ke
samaya ik sacha vir sipahi bankar ( dharm, sachaai ) ki raksha karega
aur pran dene mein jara sa bhi sankoch nahin karega, Aur jis samaye ik
saint ki jaroorat ho to who ik saint ki terah gyaani hona chahiye.

Us fauz mein unhone paanch pyare, hindu log, sikh log sabko sachai ke
against ladne ko bheja.
Kudh ke 4 putra bhi vaar diye, Pita ko bhi vaar diya, Aur kudh bhi ant
mein vilop ho gaye.

U know Guru Gobind Singh Ji ka ik ik teer, 1 tola Sona ( 10gm ) se saja
hota tha, jo ki ghayal ke liye marham ka kaam, jiski mritu hui uske dah
sanskar ke liye use hota tha.

-----Original Message-----
From: deepak




jinko galat kaam karna hai....vo to kisi bhi bahane se
karlenge............

"Do u think people took it right way and didn't put a finger on their
patnis after Ram ji gave Balidaan?"

ye logon ki apni samajh ke upar hai..........aaag hamaare kitne kaam
aati hai, khana banane mein, industries mein ......ussi tarah pani
haamare kitne kaam aata hai..paani ke bina to hum jee bhi nahi
sakte.......lekin agar kissi ko aag ya pani ka upyog karna nahi aata, to
ho sakta hai vo aag mein hi kood jaye, ya fir pani ko peene ki bajaye
usme kood jaaye..........ab isme kya aag ki galti hai , ya paani ki
galti hai ????

tu kya samajhta hai agar Ramji ne seetaji ka tyaga nahi kiya
hota.......to aaj log apni patnion pe ungli nahi uthate..........abe ye
duniya hai.......yahan saadhu ko log chor aur chor ko saadhu samajh lete
hain..........ye to har vyakti ki apni samajh hai ki vo iss
gunn(virtues) aur avagunn mishrit sansaar mein se kya chunta
hai..............koi vyakti Ramji ko unke dharma palan ke karan apna
pranpriya bana sakta hai......aur doosra koi vyakti unhe stri-virodhi
kehkar unse dushmani bhi kar sakta hai.......

Ex. Ravan to hamesha yahi samajhta tha.......ram bada hi nalayak beta
hoga isiliye dashrath ne use vanvaas de diya.................see, ab koi
ramji ke is tyaga ko kaise-kaise najariyon se dekh sakta hai .....!!!!

kya saare Guru Granth Sahib padhne wale insaan uska theek theek arth
lete honge........aur uske anusar chalte honge...........agar koi kahe
ki ye aadmi roj Guru Granth Sahib ya Roj Ramayana padhta hai, lekin fir
bhi vo kissi rape ya murder kade to kya hum Ramayana ko ye keh kar jala
dein ki ye sab issi ke karan hua hai................are bhai achhe log
ussi ramayana ko padh-padh ke kis avashtha tak pachunch jate.......kitne
mahan ban jate.............lekin kuch log usme se bhi apna man-gadhant
arth le ker apne paapon ke liye samarthan prapt kar lete hai !!!!!!


regards,
Deepak


Ranjeet"



Ok I got it.

So tell me, After that incident, in that yug, what happened to
pati-patni relationship?
Suppose something like that again might have happened later.
Do u think people took it right way and didn't put a finger on their
patnis after Ram ji gave Balidaan?



-----Original Message-----
From: deepak


ab iss baar meri ye poori mail padhiyo.....and think deeply as to why
SriRam did, what he did ?

yes u r right.......I completely agree with u........
main bhi to yahi kaha raha hoon, ki Ram us dhobi ko kya paath padhate,
tune to likh diya ki kuch karte.....vahi to main keh raha hoon ki vo us
samay kya kar sakte the, kya dhobi ke pass ja kar kehte ki sitaji
nirdosh hain ????............isse vo bahar se to haan me haan bhar
deta(daar se ya raja ke sankoch se) lekin isse kya asli me use gyan
prapt ho jata.......kya vo gyani ban jata aur bhagwaan se kshama maang
leta (sachche man se) ???

main kya kah raha hoon isse samajhane ke liye ek baat soch:

ek maa aur ek bachcha hai..........bachcha ro raha hai............vo
baar baar maa ke gaal per thapad maar deta hai.......maa bhi usse ro
ker dikhati hai aur bachcha thodi der ke liye kush ho jata
hai.........fir rone lagta hai.......aur is baar maa khud ko hi thapad
maar leti hai.....aur ro ke bachche se kehti hai........"mummy ko dard
ho raha hai .......:-( aur ye keh kar rone lagti hai"...............maa
ko rote hue dekh kar bachche ko dukh hota hai aur vo chup ho kar maa se
lipat jata hai.............ab agar tu ye kahe ki .....maa ne galat kiya,
usse to bachche ko gyan dena chahiye tha ki aise thapad marna galat baat
hai !!!!!

bas theek ussi taraha, Prabhu Maryada Purushottam SriRamchandraji bhi
apni praja ko putravat hi sneha karte the.........unke ek bete ne,
sitaji ke baare mein upshabd kah ker ek tarah se unke gaal per thapad hi
to maara tha........Bhaktvatsala bhagwan apne bhakton ke doshon ko nahi
dekhte..........kyunki vo hi hamari vastavic maa hain........unke putra
ne bhool ki to unhone uske apradh ka phal swayam bhog ker, sitaji se
viyog ka kasht utha ker, apne us dhobhi putra ko ro ker dikhaya (
aajeevan bramhchari reh kar, doosra vivaha na kar ke, aur yagya me
sitaji ki hi murti apne saath bitha kar)..........isse dhobhi ko bhi
ehsaas hua ki, dekho maine prabhu ke saath kitna anyaay kiya, parantu
fir bhi unhone mujhe ek shabd bh nahi kaha......ulte swayam itne kashta
utha rahe hain, ve aaj bhi sitaji se utna hi prem karte hain aur hridaya
se unhone kabhi-bhi sitaji ka tyaga nahi kiya, tabhi to yagya mein bhi
sitaji ki hi murti baithai hai, aur keval mere kehne per unhone oopari
dikhave ke liye sitaji ka tyaga kar diya, prabhu kaise dayalu aur
bhakt-vatsala hain !!!!
...........ye sab dekh kar to ek pathar hridaya vyakti ko bhi apni bhool
ka ehsass ho jayega.


I hope u will try to understand SriRam from ur heart, not from ur
brain.......un prabhu ko hum jeeev apni budhhi se nahi samajh
sakte.........unhe aur unki karoona ko samajhne ke liye to humein dil
se, bhaav se, aur pyaar se unhe bulaana hoga........tabhi vo
aayenge........agar dimag wale ban kar bulayenge tab to vo humse aur bhi
door ho jayenge !!!!

regards,
Deepak

Ranjeet"

Discussion on the gender of India ... :-)

haa pata kiya and you people can join the yahoogroups maintained by BM.

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http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion
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But i m not actively involved in their activities becoz of some critical activities in my personnal life ...:-)



"Nishant_Vats"
RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...





Anki tune pata kiya kaya..iss Mission ka...
Yaar I know one case also...
A guy who used to wrk in software firm noticed that there several road
jams due to mismanagement of bus stops(I dnt exactly remember the route
as I read 2 years back in magazine...)...he took the intiative ..just
devoted 30 mins in morning in guiding the ppl to stand at proper bus
stand and all that...after seeing that traffic police also came to his
help...dis process continued n there was some positive result...
He suggested that that IIT D can help in dis regard nad there was some
tie up..long story 2 go...
Moral is v can do wht rathi said..

_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats


-----Original Message-----
From: Ankit Kumar Sharma
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...





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"sheshendra

rathi"


Subject RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...

We got the same lesson from chiness , English, Portuguese , Arabs etc
many
times but after only when nothing was left here they left us

See the issues is now India have to be strong be it in the form of
"rani"
but now it has to become "chandi" so as to destroy its enemies like

1. Corruption
2. Poverty
3. Illiteracy
4. Bad habits (even most of u throw kick-knack wrappers toffee wrappers,
other things on the road )
5. Bad political practices
6. Most of us do not want to respect our Homeland (even most of u says
"This
is India here the things happen this way only after all this is not
foreign").

And the list grows!!

But even if we young people do small things like encouraging people
around
us like our own family members we can contribute in this and make it a
success!!

When I was at FSS in the bus route I used to stop people from throwing
wastes outside and I have seen many have stopped.
Though there are exceptions but none of them threw in front of me!!
So if we all take some small initiatives we can stop these things to
happen!!

So let it be mother land , but now it has to transform either to a
father
or
chandi to make this land a sone ki chidya again :-)



Thanks and Regards,
Sheshendra Rathi

-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
do u think these problems are any lesser in pakistan......which seems to believe itself to be the Greatest Baap, lekin usse kuch farak pada????
our india should not become like a pakistan...........we should treat india as we treat our mother..........I want to say that we should not lose the tendeness and love

all the things u have said are our responsibilities and for accomplishing these objectives, india need not pretend to be baap or chandi..........these require inner-strength not body-building course

thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari

-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...
very well said ankit !!

aur rathi, ......agar india baap bhi hota to kya hota ??? jab bete khud hi apne baap ko bech den to fir baap kisse lad sakta hai.......
india ko angrezon, muglon ne loot liya kyunki uske bete aapas mein he ladte raha gaye......if we had been united at that time then india's history would have been totally different.

and that is the difference between india and rest of the world..........we are humble and kind......we are like arjuna and not duryodhana.......evenif we have power and strength but still we put self-restrain....



thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari
-----Original Message-----
From: Ankit Kumar Sharma
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...



wah-wah.....
iska matlab ki kalko kisi ki mummy ko koi kooch bhi kahey to usse kooch
nahi karna chahiye.....agar papa ko kooch bole to ***** ***** deni
chahiye.....is this what u mean?
according to religious scriptures......the purest form of love in this
material world is between MOTHER and her children............that's why
we
call our land as mother land..........
ye sab chuti**p baatein hai ki sone ka chida hota to kooch nahi
hota.........
we are humble then it doesn't mean ki we are weak......pakistan got the
lessons three times........



"sheshendra
rathi"

Subject RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...

Salay jis din india mother se father ban jayaga us din voh sudhar jayaga
!!
Jab tak hamne mother land kaha thabhi koi Portugees , English, Arab etc
jahan aya and u know after that ki son eke maa ka kya hua

Agar us time pe sone ka baap hota to salaoon ko peet peet ke bhaga deta
!!

To abb bharat maa ko bharat BAAP Bnao and isa sudharo !!


Thanks and Regards,
Sheshendra Rathi

-----Original Message-----
From: Ankit Kumar Sharma
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...


******* ke....tujhe motherland ka matlab nahi pata kya....kahi
fatherland
suna hai kya.......ghatiapanti ki had kar di hai tune.......
har jagah bharat mata boltein hai.....MIND YOUR LANGUAGE



"sheshendra
rathi"

Subject RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...

abbey Tiwari why did not u make India as "raja "
"rani" bana ke roj ********a kya !!

Salay use raja bana taki who roj ******* doosra deshon ko !!

Thanks and Regards,
Sheshendra Rathi

-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...


try to see into the future, buts.........

in coming 5-10 years, india will also be having same kind of penetration
as
china (if not more).......gaon-gaon mein internet hoga.......

and abt china having one lang. and india a multitude of them.......I
think
it is an advantage not a drwback.......it can help to unite different
cultures of india :-)

"kos kos par badley paani"
"chaar kos par badley vaani"

aur bade kade prayaas ke baad, butola ki kavita ka uttar prstuta hai :

"aage ki sudh lele bhai, mat kar baat puraani"
"kuch hi dino mein india hogi poore vishva ki rani"


thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari





"Butola, Rahul"


Subject: RE: DSP
Processor
Feasibilty...

C Tiwari china has high penetration of internet
Whereas in india it is only 40 million ppl who are using so ne India
specific thing may not actually wrk +
China has 1 language - mandarin
Whereas in India
"kos kos par badley paani"
"chaar kos par badley vaani"

-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...





it is just showing chinese and chinese.....seems like it will be popular
in
china only.

same should be done here in india also..........search results should
show
the results in sankrit and hindi and other indian languages


thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari

"Butola, Rahul"

Subject: RE: DSP
Processor Feasibilty...







In fact jst look at baidu.com -- a Chinese search site
A start up by college guys and current market valuation at 1 billion $ +

And Google has picked up sume 20% stake in it
So an Indian story should b next :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Amit_Sehgal
Subject: RE: DSP Processor Feasibilty...


Don't know much about SIP probably a very burning topic these days. I
think it may require good engineering infrastructure to work over it not
sure though.

But Ya dats true that Mic.Soft is seriously looking to challenge Google
in efficient search domain. It seems to be an interesting topic too.

Count me in too as both of them looks equally fundoo:)

Chow:)
-Amit

On the issue of ticket system in temples

vaise to in reality, there is no differentiation being done between people, but yes to genaral public it does seem to be partiality.....

paise ne abhi-bhi kahan bhagwan ko khareed liya.......unhone to keval apne pride ko khareeda hai (by showing that paisa unhe bhagwaan ke pass pehle pahuncha sakta ha)i

thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari



Ankit Kumar Sharma@HSS

Subject: RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

nahi nuksaan to nahi hai...but again ...ek yahi to cheez bachi thi jahan there is no diffrence btn rich and poor........in bollywood language.....yahi to wo cheez thi jisse paisa nahi khareed sakta tha ....:-)


Deepak Tiwari/NokiaDDF@NOKIADDF
01/18/2006 12:35 PM

Subject
RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...




tab to u r right, it will not be of any help......actually main kabhi ticket wale mandir mein nahin gaya :-)

fir bhi yaar isse koi nuksaan bhi nahi hai.....jiske pass paise hon and he is willing to pay to have a quicker darshan then he can have it........jinke pass nahin hain vo log wait karke bhi darshan kar sakte hain (and they will the first one's who will recieve Lord's grace).......even if ticket system nahi hoga tab bhi to line lagegi, aur wait bhi karna padega......

thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari



Ankit Kumar Sharma@HSS

Subject: RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

tab to ticket ki cost thirty thousand honi chahiye instead of 30/-......
tiwari ji aapko lagta hai ki aaj ki date mein 30/- ki koi value log samajhtein hai........ non-serious bandein wahan par kewal line ke hi darr se hi nahi jaatein.....take the example of vaishno devi......


Deepak Tiwari/NokiaDDF@NOKIADDF
01/18/2006 12:21 PM

Subject
RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...




But that will compromise with our vedic values, putting posters inside temple room, which would be same as putting poster on the Lord's vigraha himself
you should draw a line for making money and that line should not be crossed.

on the contrary, I think ticketting system will prevent the picnic culture in pilgrimage areas, only serious ones will opt for it. If u have to shell out some money, then u would possibly goto some other better picnic spot.

I think, the system in ISKCON and Balaji temples is quite good.

thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari



Ankit Kumar Sharma@HSS
01/18/2006 12:05 PM

Subject: RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

yehi to ek cheez bachi thi jo commercialism se door thi.... yaar shradhaloo kaafi chanda detein hai and i think it's more than enough to spread the spiritualism.........agar tickets waalein paise se aapko objection nahi hai...to i have few more ideas to get money...kal ko agar pepsi company bolein ki wo apna poster madir waalein room mein lagana chahti hai and they r willing to pay 1 crore for this ...then r u ready for that money?
Ticketting system is giving rise to the 'spiritual picninc culture'....and i think its of no use..........


Deepak Tiwari/NokiaDDF@NOKIADDF
01/18/2006 11:56 AM

Subject
RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...




Bheed is only a secondary reason..............and I think vaishno devi se jyada bheed hoti hai Sritirupathi mandir mein....!!!
and I m not saying ki log bheed se darte hain, agar aisa hota tu koi aayega hi kyun.......but bheed ko manage karne walon ko to pareshaani hogi......

tu khud soch ker dekh, kitne ameer-ameer log aate hai vahan, agar unse paise mil rahein hain (and importantly, vo ek achhe purpose ke liye use ho rahein hain), then I don't think there is any wrong thing there.

agar vaishno devi mandir mein bhi ticket system ho to vo achha hai........kam se kam jo log vaishno devi picnic manane jaate hain, unki jeb se kuchh paise gareeb logon ke kaam to aa jayenge


thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari



Ankit Kumar Sharma@HSS
01/18/2006 11:44 AM

Subject: RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

bheed to vaishno devi mandir mein bhi hoti hai.......waha bhi ticketting ka funda laga dena chahiye...........bhaiya bhagwaan ka agar mann se darshan karne aaye ho to bheed se kya darna.......


Deepak Tiwari/NokiaDDF@NOKIADDF
01/18/2006 11:39 AM

Subject
RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...




tu ye soch, ki vahan kitni bheed hoti hai !!!
agar ye ticket system na ho to bheed kitni badh jaayegi.....and the management would be difficult

moreover, the money recieved by the temple goes for the propagation of Lord's name only.

but I think poor people not having enough money should be allowed without ticket.

thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari



Ankit Kumar Sharma@HSS
01/18/2006 11:34 AM

Subject: RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

nahi yaar aisa nahin hai.....in tirupathi, aapki ticket ka price jitna jyada hoga ..aapka number utna hi jaldi aayega.....but if u don't want to take the ticket then also u r aloowed for darshan but u have to wait longer....(This was the scenario 12 years back....)
waise i don't like the ticket funda in south indian temples......in most the temples u have to take tickets ....:-(


"Butola, Rahul"
01/18/2006 11:34 AM

Subject
RE: DTIWARI take the test of butola...





Yup yup go ahead
....
In south Indian temples spleacially tirupathi I was aghast to c that ppl
who don't buy pooja tickets are not allowed to get darshans..infact they
were humiliated by pundit himself :( ....so I jst want to read these
epics to c this behaviour of them in proper lite :)
-----Original Message-----
Nishant_Vats
Subject: DTIWARI take the test of butola...

DTWAIRI....
Nw ur turn to wake up..becoz someone is claiming ....
Just throw some bouncers on Butola...


_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats

GE-GDC



-----Original Message-----
From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Dear dear u must understand that there are other things on which u can
spend money and still njoy these days I m into spiritual studies Geeta,
Krishnaa etc

-----Original Message-----
From: sheshendra rathi
Subject: RE: News about vipul


Dk Bose what we can do is we can pool into and then play
Is possible
Also u are the maximum earning guy from our group whom I know, even then
u
can not spend around 30K for y'u interest!!

It is a very good processor we can make it a SIP phone which can send
Images
as well as can send video, a GPS and many more things in a single phone
or
some thing of this sort !!






-----Original Message-----
From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Don't u think at 80000 rupees it is far too costly to jst play arnd

-----Original Message-----
From: sheshendra rathi
Subject: RE: News about vipul


Hey guys

The new TI -DSP processor with high video capabilities is out

The cost of its evaluation module is $1995 so is any body interested in
Development or research on this processor

For more queries you can go to

http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdxevm6446.html?DCMP=DSP_
DaVi
nciCatalog&HQS=Other+EM+davcatemdvevm



Thanks and Regards,
Sheshendra Rathi


-----Original Message-----
From: sheshendra rathi
Subject: RE: News about vipul


Ha ha ha ha !!

Hey vats !!




Thanks and Regards,





-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: News about vipul





PRANAM VATS !!


thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari





"Nishant_Vats"


Subject: RE: News about
vipul






DTIWARI NAMASTE SIR.......
AAP KAISE HAIN...
APAKA DIN MANGALY MAIN HOON..
:-)))

_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats




-----Original Message-----
From: Deepak Tiwari
Subject: RE: News about vipul





fir se subah-2 aisi baatein shuru kar di.......!!!!!



thanks & regards,
Deepak Tiwari





"Butola, Rahul"


Subject: RE: News about
vipul






Kuch nahi rathi se brk up ho gaya hai :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Nishant_Vats
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Butola kya chal raha hain....

_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats



-----Original Message-----
From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: News about vipul

I did not take
I m going in feb-march

-----Original Message-----
From: Nishant_Vats
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Abhey tujhe mili kya ?
I was on leave yest..
Just saw today

_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats



-----Original Message-----
From: Butola, Rahul
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Airdeccan booking opens for april month
Rushhhh fast

-----Original Message-----
From: Nishant_Vats
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Abhey tujhe pata nahin laga kya..
Tu bhi bang mein hain...


_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats



-----Original Message-----
From: Munish Gulati
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Sardar lagee kyaaaaaaa?

-----Original Message-----
From: Nishant_Vats
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Abhey agar yeh baat sach hain.....
ISSI WAQT SARDAR KEY JAA* KE BALOON ME AAG LAG JAYE......

_____________________________________
Regards :

Nishant Vats



-----Original Message-----
From: Devgun, Ranjeet
Subject: RE: News about vipul

Saale kaam karle kaam: jaat. Nayi Co. mein aaya hai purani chor nahin
raha hai.


Ranjeet Singh Devgun



-----Original Message-----
From: Sheshendra Rathi

Subject: RE: News about vipul



oh yes That's why i think nishant have took vipul in corner !!

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